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republican governors, some of the worst laws being passed now to punish women and to deny access to reproductive health care. >> it's unbelievable. let me bring in my epic politics man because i want to know whether or not this will ever be a winning strategy for republicans. >> what kathy is saying is true. when you look back at what ronald reagan did and the affect he had on later generations on republicans, it was almost as if they wanted to adopt his doctrine going forward. it worked for a while. even today we see a meeting in williamsburg, virginia, talking about changing their messaging. if wasn't worth talking about rape. they're starting to learn that it's resonating with a few people in a specific party. if they see repeated losses at the ballot box that's all they care about and that's what it comes down to. >> hastings, let me play devil's advocate. sometimes we can live in our own progressive bubble and maybe we're not living to people who are making reasonable arguments that are pro-life. do you think there are individuals who are genuinely pro-life and genuinely car
be opposed to overturning the roe v. wade. back in 2011 they broke the amount of laws that were limiting abortion. you see 92, which is gigantic. now in 2012 well, it's been down to 43. those 43 are now centered on six states, and of course there are some red states that are trying to take away rights. now this is an interesting stat as well. this is the most interesting one. hey, do you think abortion should be legal or not? 52% say it should be legal under certain circumstances. 25% said legal in all cases and 20% wanted flat-out outlawed. that means only 20% of the country, one in five actually want abortion to be illegal under all circumstances. overturn roe v. wade. that's a tiny minority. you have 77% saying they are, in fact, pro-choice. when you say legal under certain circumstances. that makes you pro-choice. that mean you're in favor of roe v. wade after all. the country is on our sides and on the side of the legislatures, not so much. now in mississippi they're trying to eliminate abortion. they can't make it illegal but they can limit access to it. >> reporter: the signs are
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